Perro de presa canario
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Perro de presa canario, almindeligt kaldet Presa canario, er en mastif fra canarieøerne, tæt beslægtet med Dogo canario, dog er de ikke ens, trods mange hævder dette, selv dansk kennelklub ?
Men der er væsentlig forskel
Presa canario har tilladt hvide aftegninger på mave, bryst, næse, pande. samt pelsen sort er anerkendt, det er den ikke hos dogo canario.
Presa canario tilhængere og dogo canario tilhængere lod vandene skille, bland andet pga. ovenstående, samt andre uoverensstemmelser fra FCI, UKC og samt andre forbund
Men faktum er, at disse to racer kommer længere og længere væk fra hinanden rent mentalt og udseends mæssigt, hvilket jo efter min mening er helt fint.. Hvilke der så er bedst at vælge, kommer vel an på formål og behov, jeg har valgt presa canarioen fordi jeg syntes den er bedst for mig, jeg er sikker på at dogo canarioen også er en skøn hund, med de egenskab den nu har.
Racerne er genskabt med forholdsvis få individer og har før været een race og dermed har racerne forholdsvis samme stamforældre, Det er forståeligt at det giver blandede meninger og misforståelser.. Men de bør den dag i dag, og i fremtiden ikke af den grund sammenlignes..
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| Masai de irema curto 6 måneder |
En lille fodnote, jeg læste på en anden dansk hjemmeside, at forskellen på dogo canario og presa canario skulle være at, presa canarioen bliver avlet med hundekampe som formål, hvor dogo canarioen bliver avlet som familiehund !!! Dette er det rene sludder som kun kan komme fra personer, der ikke har sat sig ordentlig ind i tingene ! Men sådan er der jo så meget :-/For mig er der kun een Presa canario og den må ikke sammenlignes med andre racer, ligevel som en Dvægpinscher og en Dobberman ikke kan sammenlignes, trods visse ligheder og trods de har aner sammmen. (groft sagt)
I Norge og Sverige har man dog også forstået dette, derfor har de også een raceklub for Presa canario og een for Dogo canario. så mangler vi måske bare at Dansk kennel klub, retter lidt i beskrivelsen af dogo canario og ikke skriver, at den og presa canarioen er ens, bare navnet er skiftet ud. Men det kræver vel at man sætter sig lidt mere ind i racerne...måske det kommer en dag, måske !
Når det er sagt, ved jeg at mange dogo canario ejere er uenige derom, men tankevækkende, er der ikke mange Preas canario ejere der ønsker at sammenligne disse to pragtfulde hunderacer... det skal da være sagt, dette er ikke for at underkende Dogo canario racen, den er der ikke noget galt med, men blot at gøre det klart at der modsat hvad mange siger og skriver er forskel...
Jeg kan anbefale, om du ønsker yderligere grundig info, at Google Manuel Curto Gracia og besøg deres hjemmeside
Og / eller læs engelske artikel af Manuel curto, samt skriv af Fred Lanting nederst på denne side :-)
Masai de irema curto
Da jeg skulle vælge en ny hund efter først at have Rottweiler i 11 år, dernæst en Amerikansk bulldog x engelsk mastiff, brugte jeg flere år på at finde en for mig spændende hunderace, og jeg kom da på noget af en opgave, hvor er der mange useriøse kenneler rundt i verden, hvor eneste interesse er at tjene penge... samt kenneler der kaldte sig presa kennel, men som krydsede presaér med dogo canario hunde ! eller som udenlukkende havde dogo canario´s ! !Jeg faldt pladask for Presa canarioén, pga. dens mange gode egensskaber....
Nu var det så lige at finde et godt eksemplar, og nu kom jeg da først på arbejde, først forvirring omkring dogo canario og Presa canario... hvor har jeg brugt megen tid på nettet og besøg hos forskellige dogo canario kenneler, hvor individeren var så afvigende at de ofte ikke kunne sammenlignes ! Det må jo så tilføjes at det langt hen af vejen også gjorte sig gældende hos presa canario kennelerne..men jeg syntes dog at der var kendeligt forskel, mange dogo canarios ligner meget bullmastiffs, og ville jeg have en sådanne så kunne jeg jo, lidt firkantet sagt, lige så godt vælge den, men nu var det en presa jeg var faldet for..
Jeg støtte flere gange på navnet Manuel curto, bl.a. blandt bøger skrevet af den kendte Dr. Carl Semencic ( Gladiator dogs), og i mange hundeforum, var det Manuel der poppede op gang på gang, jeg tror ikke nogen overhovedet kan modsige sig at denne mand ikke kan forbipassres når man snakker Perro de presa canario...iøvrigt da jeg ville finde en engelsk bog, kun om denne race, var der kun een at finde nemlig Manuel curto med bogen Perro de presa canario udgivet af Kennek club books inc.
Den nærmeste kennel med netop Manuel curto´s blodlinier, lå i Norge, pris 2011, 12.000 kr eks fragt.
Hmm mange penge, hvad mon hunden koster hvis jeg køber den direkte fra godfatheren som mange fremhæver de har blodlinier fra i deres avl.... som sagt så gjort, jeg kontaktede Irema curto kennel, ejet og drevet af Manuel og hans kone Valeria Curto.
Her var der ingen tvivl skulle jeg have en Presa skulle den ikke komme fra polen, ungarn eller lign, Nej den skulle komme direkte fra dens oprindelige hjemegn, nemlig Canarieøerne, så efter ca et års venten, fik vi Masai de irema Curto, kaldenavn Chico, importeret fra Tenerife.
Chico er utrolig lydhør, lærenem, adræt, kærlig, har personlighed, god med andre hunde, katte,høns, god med børn, meget vagtsom, opmærksom. En hund der kun må trænes med godhed, positiv træning. prøv aldrig at tvinge den, da den bare vil modsætte sig, samt få en negativ oplevelse som kun vil skade den og dens forhold til dig.
Rcen kræver socialtræning med andre hunde, for som voksen at kunne omgå disse som fuldvoksen.
The perro de presa Canario and the Dogo canario are to different breeds
Are not us, the defenders of the Perro de Presa Canario those that say that the Dogo Canario and the Perro de Presa Canario is a same breed; are the breeders (and supporters) of the Dogo Canario those that persist in that they are the same breed. And the subject has its explanation. The thing DOGO CANARIO does not sell well. It sells the denomination Perro de Presa Canario. It is so simple. If they were able, these breeders (and supporters) with the director of the club that represents the breed at the top, they would return to the traditional denomination, the one that we, the breeders of the Perro de Presa Canario represent.
They would make it disappear from the terrestrial sphere by the ominous results obtained at the time of promoting for the sale its products. Only for that reason, because the denomination in itself, the traditional or the new one, is for them irrelevant.
The sales; that is the only thing that had interested and interest them. But that is not possible, due although they requested it, the FCI would not return back.
But is that aside the denomination Dogo Canario we have the dog (the one we denominate breed), and its standard.
The breeders of Perro de Presa Canario, we have like guide the standard of the breed, a Racial Pattern elaborated from many years (product of consensus between the most significant breeders at that time of both canary provinces) in which is meticulously described the animal and its coats. For those who have not read it I will say that the coats most characteristic of the Perro de Presa Canario are the brindle, the fawn, and the black, being able to display all of them white spots in the extremities, in the lower abdomen, in the chest, around the neck, in the face, and the tail. The breeeders of Dogo Canario breed taking as guides their Racial Pattern (recognized by the FCI in June of 2001) in which only accept the coats, brindle, fawn and sand - although in this standard the white colour is mentioned, in the reality the club of the breed does not accept it.
Many years ago I denounced by means of the newspaper El Día (Tenerife) that the Spanish Club of the Perro de Presa Canario (today of the Dogo Canario), it directors and partners, at the time of breeding they did not take as guides the Racial Pattern recognized by the Royal Canine Society of Spain, and that they were breeding a sort of dog similar to the Bullmastiff, in which they were only accepted like characteristic the coats brindle, fawn and the sand, in the three cases with black mask without exceeding the height of the eyes.
In one speech given to the directors and partners of the CEPPC about genetics applied in the breeding of dogs, a professor of the university (not specialized on this matter) of San Cristóbal de La Laguna, recommended the assistants to use indiscriminately the Bullmastiff in their crossings to get in short time to consolidate the breed. Apparently this recommendation was effective.
The standard approved by the FCI, apart the considerations relative to its origin (the reference to the blood of the Majorero Dog as genetic base of the dogs of the aforesaid club is totally false of course), is in essence a copy of the Bullmastiff standard.
Throughout several years, the breeders of the CEPPC frequently used in their crossings the Bullmastiff, secretly of course, so that nobody knows it. The dance of false papers between the breeders of this club has been a constant during many years. And still continue that dance of papers.
Respect to the differences morphological, phenotypical, and functional between the Perro de Presa Canario and the Dogo Canario, they are evident.
The Perro de Presa Canario is an animal robust and athletic, dynamic, of wide and deep rib cage but not like barrel, with strong extremities and correctly positioned, parallel to each other. Its head -the head is the part of the animal that better defines and characterizes the breed- well proportioned (6-4), the snout straight, never turned-up, Nasofrontal depression is little noticeable, marked depression cranium-frontal, the skull flat, or hardly convex, thick-lipped gathered, non-hanging, the masseters muscles well developed, bite in scissors, the eyes of medium size and attentive gaze, intelligent as if it was a person.
The Dog Canario usually is more near the ground, I means that their legs generally are shorter, and frequently turned, the angles more straights (the percentage of hip´s dysplasia in this breed is very high), the rib cage something cylindrical and less deep -in the work this dog suffer from asphyxia very easy and gets tired long before that the Perro de Presa Canario-, its head usually is convex, the nasofrontal depression frequently is pronounced, the cranium-frontal depression in most of the units is almost nonexistent, the thick-lipped pendants, the masseters muscles little developed, the wrinkles in his head are often abundant, and they display with certain frequency a slight prognatismo (undershot bite) and absence of premolars. This dog, unlike the Perro de Presa Canario, is clumsier in its movements, learns with more difficulty, does not respond well to the training in defence, attacks and persecution, its guard instinct is very low, get sick very easy, and is of little longevity, this means that he get old early and dies at an age in which the Perro de Presa Canario is still young, healthful and perfectly apt for the work. I maintain that this longevity of the Perro de Presa Canario proceed from the high percentage of blood of the Perro de Ganado Majorero that runs by its veins.
The description that I just finish doing of the Perro de Presa Canario is not product of a whim mine, is an ascertainable reality. And equally true is the description of the Dogo Canario. And both realities have their explanation. The Perro de Presa Canario is breed and selected for the work. The Dogo Canario is breed (is not selected) thinking about the shows, to be able then to sell offspring of champions. Champions of what? I always say.
Manuel Curto
First Presa Canario National Specialty
Report by Fred Lanting
The first national specialty show of the reorganized Presa club in America known as the United Perro de Presa Canario Club was held on the grounds of Purina Farms near St. Louis, MO. This organization supplanted the strife-torn and somewhat disorganized predecessor club, with improved communications and management, using mostly the same members. It is affiliated with the UKC, the all-breed registry devoted to the total dog and a fun, family-oriented show and working trials atmosphere.
This molossoid breed gets its name from its action of seizing predators and cranky bulls, and from the Canary Islands where it was perfected from stock originating on the Iberian peninsula of Spain and Portugal. “Presa” means to grab or seize. The FCI, probably bowing to some anti-biting movement common to Europe as well as the U.S., decided to re-name it “Dogo Canario”. It is descended from an older type of Presa Canario now extinct, and from the Perro de Ganado Majorero, a cattle dog native to the Canary Islands, both with very strong temperament. The breed has undergone a recent reconstruction and the present examples are impressive and useful. Further back in its history, it shares some common ancestry with the Spanish and Portugese mastiffs and bulldogs, as well as with the Fila Brasileiro, which latter stems mostly from the Bloodhound and Spanish/Portugese Mastiffs. “Fila” in Portuguese also means “seize” or “grab”. In spite of the ancestry and reconstruction efforts, some authorities assert that “the actual Presa of today has almost nothing in common with the "ancient" Presa that is mentioned in some law acts of the 16th Century, and that it is even more important to stress that the Presa Canario is a different breed from the Dogo Canario, recently recognized by the F.C.I.”
In the 1970s, Manuel Curtò and a small number of enthusiasts and breeders started to rebuild the breed, with the help of such crosses. They included the Ganado, what remained of the Presa of the first decades of the 20th century, and other molossers breeds. Up to that period there were two difference types of Presa Canario: one very large type with a strong character was from Gran Canaria Island, and was a result of the crosses with the Neapolitan Mastiff and (in smaller part) with Old English Mastiffs and Great Dane; coming from Tenerife was the more agile Presa Canario despite being the result of the native crosses with Bulldogs, Bullmastiffs, Great Danes, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, “Pit Bulls” and Dogue de Bordeaux.
The key molders of the Presa in the Islands tell us that the official FCI Standard of the Dogo Canario does not specify a maximum weight which, for the Presa is set at 57 Kg. to prevent the proliferation of overly-heavy dogs, unable to work. Another difference is that of the coat color; the solid black one is admitted in the Presa Canario while it is not for the Dogo Canario. They draw an analogy with the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier, but that is not quite accurate in my view. I judge both, and many AmStaffs are dual-registered as APBTs. Presa people feel that even if the Presa Canario and the Dogo Canario originated from the same type of dog, they are now effectively different breeds.!!!!!
One of the characteristics the Fila and Presa share is the high-in-the-rear topline. Both are required to have the iliac crest of the pelvis higher than the withers or shoulder blade, or at least not lower than the shoulder. By the way, those islands off the coast of Spanish Sahara, Africa get their name not from the little yellow bird, but from the Latin word for dog, Cane. You may have heard of a somewhat similar Italian breed called the Cane Corso. The songbird’s name is derived from the islands, not the other way around.
The custom was to crop the ears so that there would be less for a fighting enemy to latch onto, and most Presas are still cropped. But there was an excellent female at this show with uncropped ears, showing the typical semi-rose shape that comes from the deep antiquity of the breed’s development from prototype Greyhounds and Bulldogs.
It was my pleasure and honor to substitute for a judge from the breed’s homeland, who had to cancel late in the planning stage. It was my job to conduct the “Critiques”, which is like a breed survey in miniature, without the measurements that are taken in many foreign breed surveys. I dictated comments on each dog’s character, gait, and anatomy to a scribe (who, forgive me, had to write fast), and these data are archived by the club. I hope some day they use the same system that the SV does, which has been described as “See everything, say everything”. This would be helpful in refining the Standard in the future. I also was asked for input into the Standard’s wording, which had been awkwardly translated from the Spanish. Thanks to my SV training, experience in teaching anatomy, and background as a college professor, I was able to give some guidance to the process. It will be interesting to see how the breed develops in the U.S. compared to in the islands.
Presas are very utilitarian, performing the functions of family companion and playmate for the children, managing stock, guarding flocks and herds from predators and poachers, and protecting persons and property. Presas should be willing to grab a cantankerous bull by the nose and keep it subdued until the owner can hobble or control it. The same with wild and semi-feral boars. Since canaries aren’t much in the way of predators on goats, sheep, and cattle, the job of fighting carnivores on “the islands” is merely honorary. However, the capacity and willingness to do so is present, as ably demonstrated by a bitch named Isis. Unfortunately, she was not entered in the critiques or the conformation show, but I did see her admirable performance in the ATT temperament test and her demeanor while just walking around. I was later sent a picture of her and her kennel-mate, Gotti, with a kitten-killer coyote he had chased down and dispatched. Sam Nelson owns these two farm dogs, both good examples of breed purity and utility.
The Presa club says, “All Presas used for breeding programs should be temperament tested, and certified to be free of hip dysplasia.” The ATT test is, in my mind, a poor one, or at least poorly envisioned and practiced. I have seen innumerable dogs get a passing grade that you and I would never want to own or trust around people; many are spooky fear-biters. (There were none at the Presa specialty, and it is very unusual in this rather gentle breed.) I have also seen dogs (as Isis did) unjustly fail the test yet demonstrate the confidence and willingness to protect their owners, and the next or preceding moment show the calm nerves and sociability you want when walking in crowds or meeting neutral or friendly “strangers”.
Much better would be something like the German BH (a combination of traffic sureness, safety with people, unconcern with distractions like other dogs, bikes, noises, etc.) or even the more demanding Schutzhund test. Even the “Good Citizen” type evaluation should give the judge/evaluator a good look at character, if he is willing to observe and penalize bad nature. Isis, by the way, was a perfect, gentle lady up to the point of threats such as suspicious rattling noises, weird stranger attacking, and perceived attack by a person opening an umbrella much closer than is supposed to happen in the test. The owner was told she was too aggressive, which points out the fallacies of expecting guard dogs to behave like Beagles, Shelties, and Goldens. The test needs to be reformed or discarded, especially if clubs like the UPPCC require passing it in order to be granted club sanction for breeding!
Conformation classes, run the same way you would see at a UKC show but with a much larger ring, were judged by J. Ray Johnson. Following his awards, the dogs went either to the ATT tent or came back one at a time for me to do the survey-critiques. Ray’s choice for BOB was Kobe, a handsome young son of the magnificent Stud Dog class winner, G’kar (pictured with both me and with a cute carrot-top kid in separate photos). A large number of amateur photo shots are to be found on http://forum.elpresa.com (You do not need to be registered to view) or http://ukcpres.com and look at “2003 Specialty”.
Schutzhund training demonstrations included enlisting yours-truly to put on the beginners’ sleeve and give some bites. The breed has a little more adaptability to the schutzhund protection phase than does a Fila or most molosser breeds, but of course not as much as a GSD, Rottie, Dobe, or Malinois. It is well suited to sports like weight pulling, with a heritage of carting/draft dogs in its ancestry. If breeders are not careful, there will be some Presas with more slobber than you would want unless you are used to Saints and Newfies (the Standard and history of the Presa breed calls for moderately tight lips). The coat is short and easy to groom, like that of a Rottie or American Pit Bull Terrier. Tails are not docked, and you don’t have to crop ears, so the breed is an easy, low-maintenance one to care for and enjoy. Hip dysplasia incidence is moderately high, as in most breeds with this body type, but if parents with a low PennHIP DI are selected, you’ll immensely boost your chances of having a disease-free, strong, impressive dog as a companion for a long time.
It is a breed in its infancy in the States, but keep an eye out for them in the UKC rings. Population is small, with perhaps a couple thousand in the U.S., most of whom are strictly farm dogs, 300 to 500 owned by breeders and somewhat serious fanciers, and maybe 50 to 100 active show and in-training dogs. The turnout was under 30 dogs in the conformation portion of the first (2003) National Specialty, but this will grow. Fanciers drove (yes, I said drove) from as far as New Jersey, Florida, Arizona, and Washington State. They are serious about the breed, and that bodes well for the Presa Canario in the U.S.A.
Husk en presa canario er ikke en dogo canario og omvendt !!
